Peter Hook of Joy Division, New Order Chats With Andy Rourke of The Smiths on Talkhouse Music Podcast

To celebrate Peter Hook’s (Joy Division, New Order, Peter Hook and the Light) new band memoir Substance: Inside New Order, he and old friend and bandmate Andy Rourke (the Smiths, D.A.R.K.), sat down to talk old times. Their amazing chat takes in Johnny Marr and Andy’s (literally) looking up to Joy Division, Hook’s ongoing legal battle against New Order, Morrissey and Johnny Marr’s autobiographies, Hook’s longstanding personal issues with Bernard Sumner (a.k.a. Barney) and so much more. Subscribe now on iTunes or Stitcher to stay in the loop on future Talkhouse Podcasts.

Rourke’s reaction to Morrissey’s autobiography and Hooky’s hope for Bernard Sumner’s reaction to his own:
Andy: “I’ve had a, ya know, a browse, a browse through [Morrissey’s autobiography]. I was just checking out what he’s saying about me, basically. Went through the index.”

Peter: “Ya know what, that was the reason why I didn’t want to put an index in my book. Because I didn’t like the thought of Barney [Sumner] going in the bookshop and just browsing through the index. I wanted him to have to suffer it!”

Hook on how Rourke’s sharing his pain about the Smiths lawsuit helped him get emotional perspective in his case against New Order:

“I was thinking of when you were telling me about your court case [with The Smiths], and you said it was the worst thing you’d ever been through in your life. And I thought ‘what a fucking drama queen!’… [But you were] 150% right there, mate!… Yeah, a nightmare, so thank you for that, you were absolutely right.”

Hook on how writing Substance: Inside New Order reminded him during his current dark times with the band, of the earlier good times:

“I think the weird thing was, I’m sure it was the same for you, when you were doing the case, and everyone was at each other’s throats, you felt like you’ve achieved nothing. And your memory, and the gigs, and the heritage feels very, very distant. And the weird thing was, sitting down and doing the book was actually quite cheery, for the simple reason that you remembered a load of the good times. You know, when you started out, when you were all together, when there was a sense of togetherness, everybody going in the same direction. No struggle. The ambition was still there, especially after Joy Division. So it reminded me of that, and it made me actually feel a hell of a lot better about [things].”

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